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Author Topic: 2008 Breed Council Poll  (Read 893 times)
Ceylon

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« on: November 13, 2008, 07:03:18 PM »



Please encourage your Council Members to vote YES to see this passed Smiley  :up:
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cleonjay

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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2008, 09:07:08 PM »

So, are we supposed to just print that off and send it in? Do we have to be a breeder/shower of persians to vote?Huh I'd like to help!
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Ceylon

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2008, 05:16:17 AM »

Oh I wish you could help. Sadly you have to be a Breed Council Member to vote. But I appreciate your interest Smiley  :fish:
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Whispurrpaws

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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2008, 06:09:30 AM »

Well this is very encouraging news!! :up:  I sincerely hope this passes... it's way past due in my personal opinion.  While I'm very disappointed to see that the choc/lilac smoke bi-colors are not included, at least this is a big step in the right direction.  I'm sure if these four colors gain acceptance it won't be too long before the visual smoke bi-colors are accepted as well.
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2008, 10:53:24 AM »

Ceylon, I have a question for you.  Is it just the council members of the Shaded/Smoke Division that vote on this or do the council members of the other color divisions (Bi-Color, Himalayan, Parti-Color, Solid, etc.) have a say in this as well?
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Ceylon

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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2008, 12:55:08 PM »

I guess This ballot was sent to the members of the smoke/shaded council to vote on.
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Whispurrpaws

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2008, 05:16:52 AM »

Hopefully it passes.
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2008, 03:54:21 AM »

Ceylon, any news yet on whether this passed or not?  Fingers crossed!!
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2009, 07:12:17 PM »

I don't think we'll know till February 2009.
Fingers Crossed!
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2009, 06:50:02 AM »

Sad news. It didn't get 60% of the votes to pass.  :cry:
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2009, 07:15:59 AM »

Well d*** it!!  I can't tell you how disappointed I am to hear this. Sad  This just doesn't make any sense to me!!  What the hell is it going to take for the CFA to accept these beautiful colors?? :roll:  :?
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Ceylon

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 07:38:12 AM »

I do have some GOOD news.

Persian - Calico/Bicolor Division:
    Total Members: 54 ~ Ballots Received: 34 ~ 60% for passing: 21
     
    PROPOSED: Revise the Smoke and white color description to include Chocolate Smoke and White and Lilac Smoke and White.

        SMOKE AND WHITE: black smoke and white, blue smoke and white, red smoke and white, cream smoke and white, chocolate smoke and white, lilac smoke and white. White with colored portions, the colored portions of the cat to conform to the currently established smoke color standards. As a preferred minimum, the cat should have white feet, legs, underside, chest, and muzzle. Less white than this minimum should be penalized proportionately. Inverted "V" blaze on the face desirable.



     
    Yes-32, No-2
    Motion carried, Feb 2009 Board Meeting
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2009, 07:39:02 AM »

Here is the Solid Smoke Vote

Persian - Smoke/Shaded Division:
    Total Members: 14 ~ Ballots Received: 11 ~ 60% for passing: 7
     
    PROPOSED: Add the following four color descriptions to the list of accepted Shaded and Smoke Division Colors and list the four colors under separate breed color class numbers:

        CHOCOLATE SMOKE: undercoat white, deeply tipped with chocolate. Cat in repose appears chocolate. In motion the white undercoat is clearly apparent. Face, legs and tail, chocolate with narrow bands of white at base of hairs next to the skin which may only be seen when hair is parted. White frill and ear tufts. Nose leather: brown. Paw Pads: cinnamon-pink. Eye color: brilliant copper.

        LILAC SMOKE: undercoat white, deeply tipped with lilac. Cat in repose appears lilac. In motion the white undercoat is clearly apparent. Face, legs and tail, lilac with narrow bands of white at base of hairs next to the skin which may only be seen when hair is parted. White frill and ear tufts. Nose leather: lavender. Paw Pads: pink. Eye Color: brilliant copper.

        CHOCOLATE TORTOISESHELL SMOKE: white undercoat, deeply tipped with chocolate, red and shades of red. Cat in repose appears chocolate tortoiseshell. In motion the white undercoat is clearly apparent. Face, legs and tail, chocolate tortoiseshell pattern with narrow band of white at base of hairs next to skin which may only be seen when hair is parted. White frill and ears tufts. Nose leather: brown, brick red and/or pink. Paw Pads: brick red, cinnamon pink and/or pink. Eye color: brilliant copper.

        LILAC-CREAM SMOKE: white undercoat, deeply tipped with lilac and cream. Cat in repose appears lilac-cream. In motion the white undercoat is clearly apparent. Face, legs and tail, lilac-cream pattern with narrow band of white at base of hairs next to skin which may only be seen when hair is parted. White frill and ear tufts. Nose leather: lavender, lavender pink and/or pink. Paw Pads: lavender pink and/or pink. Eye color: brilliant copper.


    RATIONALE: Chocolate, lilac, chocolate tortoiseshell, and lilac-cream smokes are naturally occurring colors within the breed and worthy of obtaining championship status within CFA. The Shaded and Smoke Division is the only Persian division that doesn't accept chocolate and lilac colors. Lovely examples of these colors are now being produced. Acceptance of these colors for championship status should increase the number of cats competing within the Shaded and Smoke Division. But currently, these colors can only be shown in other cat registries in order to obtain titles.
     
    Yes-5, No-6
    Did not pass by 60% - not considered by the Board
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 07:48:59 AM »

Quote from: "Ceylon"
I do have some GOOD news.

Persian - Calico/Bicolor Division:
    Total Members: 54 ~ Ballots Received: 34 ~ 60% for passing: 21
     
    PROPOSED: Revise the Smoke and white color description to include Chocolate Smoke and White and Lilac Smoke and White.

        SMOKE AND WHITE: black smoke and white, blue smoke and white, red smoke and white, cream smoke and white, chocolate smoke and white, lilac smoke and white. White with colored portions, the colored portions of the cat to conform to the currently established smoke color standards. As a preferred minimum, the cat should have white feet, legs, underside, chest, and muzzle. Less white than this minimum should be penalized proportionately. Inverted "V" blaze on the face desirable.



     
    Yes-32, No-2
    Motion carried, Feb 2009 Board Meeting


Well this is VERY GOOD news Ceylon!! :up:   So this is just a proposal at this point??  In other words, the choc/lilac smoke & whites have not been accepted yet?  At least it's a step in the right direction.

So disappointed that the visual solid smoke vote did not pass.
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Ceylon

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2009, 12:41:22 PM »

This is what I was told...........

The Chocolate Smoke and White and Lilac Smoke and Whites were approved by
the board, as those colors passed on their breed council vote, overwhelmingly,
in fact, by a vote of 32-2.
 
However, the Chocolate Smoke, Lilac Smoke, Chocolate Tortie Smoke and Lilac
Cream Smokes did not pass on the Smoke and Shaded ballot, so were not
considered  by the board.  The vote was 5 yes, 6 no to accept the colors.
 
So whether or not it makes sense, it is the wish of the Smoke and Shaded
breeders not to consider those colors at this time.  This was by a vote of  the
breed council, not of the board.
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