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loxnottpersians

Posts: 66


« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 07:25:03 AM »

Quote from: "Mamacats"
I am a bit confused  :shock:
having bred Persians and Exotic felines for five years and registering them in FIFE, never had I heard of a Long Haired Exotic assuming the shorthaired exotic was the counterpart to the Persian.

Can any one place some links where I can read up on this?
Why would anyone want a long haired Exotic anyway, wouldn't the hair be stiff?  And why should Persians feel at a disadvantage to them, IMO Persians when properly groomed look like a fluffy cloud and a peice of heaven!


A Longhaired Exotics comes from breeding a Persian to an Exotic. Not all of your kittens will have short hair in which case they are Long Haired Exotics. The coat is not a whole lot different on the ELHs and the Persian just a matter of lineage.
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Fultonblue

Posts: 967


« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2009, 08:01:05 AM »

If you have been breeding persians and exotics for 5 years I'm going to assume 2 things, one you breed them to each other and two, you sometimes get long hair varieties. Apparently FiFe as with TICA and CCA long haired exotics are considered persians.

Persians have been and continue to be used in Exotic lines to maintain the type.

However, in CFA once an exotic always an exotic. If there are exotics in the line no matter how far back, the cat is still an exotic, it works the same way as color point carriers, even if the cat doesn't actually carry points - if there is a himi in the back ground the cat will always have the 3000 registration number and be considered a cpc.

Because I do not wish to have exotics in my lines I would actually avoid catteries that do both when I consider adding cats to my cattery. It's the same with catteries that do not wish any cpc in their lines. There are even some that don't want tabby or bicolors in the persian line - these are becoming pretty hard to find now though.
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Linda
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Vanessa

Posts: 520


« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2009, 09:22:48 AM »

I showed in FIFe well over 10 years ago and I do not know what has changed since then. Back then FIFe (so much differ from CFA!) had very strict concervative rules about breeding.

For example, they did not allow breeding of smokes and bi-colors or smokes and tabbies, and color-points were very separate group and couldn't be bred to any other persian colors, and exotics were exotics and I have never heard that anybody would breed exotic to persian and got FIFe papers for kittens - I'm pretty sure FIFe wouldn't go for such breeding (again, I don't know what changed since then).

Linda, regarding tabbies in pedigrees. If I was looking for a smoke in FIFe in 90's I would know for sure that he had only smokes and solids in his pedigree - otherwise, he won't be "papered" by FIFe.

When I started to look for a smoke a while ago (and not that I had anybody that would consider selling me show smoke and had ANY choice Cheesy , but it's another issue) but I was shocked to learn that the vast majority of top-line smokes do have tabbies in pedigrees. The best cattery I knew (Palmetto) didn't have tabbies but well, I do not think I will ever get to the level when this breeder would trust me one of her wonderful babies (sigh)...
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Julian, Santana and Tatyana
Mamacats

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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2009, 10:29:22 AM »

Thank you very mcuh for taking the time to explain in such an understandable way what an Exotic Long Hair is...........

I have been breeding and showing within Portugal's FIFE cat club for well over ten years and it was allowed to mate exotics with persians and never was there any discussion whether the longed hiared kittens (offspring) were papered as Persians, it was simply done.
Many breeders did and still do breed Exotics to Persians in Portugal.

It was also excepted for the first three years of my breeding career for a solid to mate with a colorpoint and then depending on whether or not they showed their points decided if they were considered a colorpointed cat classified as #33 or solid.

Afterwards we were informed (colorpoint breeders) that Portugal's FIFE would no longer give a LOP to the resulting kitten but a RIEX (non-recognized).

Thank you again for the explanation and I would like to add I do not mean to say anyone is wrong regarding FIFE but as many may know each individual clubs belonging to FIFE are allowed to make certain rules and/ or  by-laws pertaining only to their members.
Maybe my cat club is just a little slow.......... :?
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Diane of Diane's Pride
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Marclay

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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 01:11:39 PM »

"What I'm surprised didnt pass was the time limit to use persians."


I'm gona stick my neck out here but when this whole long hair zot thing started my biggest concern was that they would put a time limit on the use of Persians and if they did that it might trickle down to us Himi breeders and we too would be told that the Persians couldn't be used with a Himi.  Just like the zot breeders we too would be limited on type as well was my concern.  So I am happy that didn't pass but I am rather upset about how they are allowing the LH zots to compete with the Persians but be scored differently.  To me, and as someone else stated, they should be split up in the Exotic category as LH class and SH class.  JMHO.
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Purrs from the Marclay gang,
Heather (formerly "Skye")


kissakatje

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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 07:59:46 AM »

Here is a link to the CFA Exotic Breed Council website that better explains how Exotic Longhairs can now finally be shown, championed:

http://www.exoticbc.org/

They will be shown in existing Persian colour classes ...

They will be scored in Regional and National wins in a new Exotic Longhair category (they will not earn Persian breed wins) ...

What an exciting development!!!
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Katlyn and Tosca

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alise

Posts: 133


« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2009, 04:22:55 AM »

Hello

 i have questions,
 
  If breed LH with ELH
  and ESH with ELH
  can be registered after april
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loxnottpersians

Posts: 66


« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2009, 05:41:58 AM »

Quote from: "alise"
Hello

 i have questions,
 
  If breed LH with ELH
  and ESH with ELH
  can be registered after april


After April the only breeding that will be registerable is if at least one parent is an Exotic SH. That means, ESH X Persians and ESH X ELH and ESH X ESH only.
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alise

Posts: 133


« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2009, 06:47:58 AM »

Thank you for the informations.
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lisajade

Posts: 194


« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2009, 11:20:45 AM »

that isnt very fair it shouldnt matter as long as the cats are healthy and clean as most breeders are dedicated to breeding healthy cats
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i had a bichon frise up untll last year and sadly she passed away due to my disability i cannot walk for long periods and i had a persian cat years ago and i would like another  if i can find a breeder in belfast
loxnottpersians

Posts: 66


« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2009, 11:47:48 AM »

Quote from: "lisajade"
that isnt very fair it shouldnt matter as long as the cats are healthy and clean as most breeders are dedicated to breeding healthy cats


It absolutely SHOULD matter. In the HHP division all that matters is clean and healthy but the purebreds are that for a reason. They are held to a standard written and agreed upon by their breed counsels, and if the standard isnt upheld what is the point. You may as well just breed to whatever you want, hey why not a brit to a cornish or a persian to a sphynx if that's the aesthetic for the day.
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