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 Post subject: Re: Is he a cream point or flame point?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:52 am 
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ignore me, I am totally wrong.
I thought he looked like he had a white moustache and tabby marking on tail. Heather is the expert as a breeder. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Is he a cream point or flame point?
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Cream or flame...he is adorable!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Is he a cream point or flame point?
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Without knowing anything about his parents' colors, I have to agree with Heather and say that Shortbread is a hot cream point.

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 Post subject: Re: Is he a cream point or flame point?
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I have no idea, but he is adorable! And I LOVE his name!! :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Is he a cream point or flame point?
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He is SOOOO CUTE!!

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 Post subject: Re: Is he a cream point or flame point?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:05 pm 
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Bru wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ignore me, I am totally wrong.
I thought he looked like he had a white moustache and tabby marking on tail. Heather is the expert as a breeder. :D


No, don't ignore you....I see it too. But I don't see the white rims on the ears which is a tell tell sign (these are true white tho...not light cream)...and a flame lynx is typically very light red and can be confused as a cream. Reni was a flame lynx (confirmed by DNA). It is just hard with the red and cream points! With flames and creams tho...that mustache or even the rings in the tail can be there because as I said red factor kitties in general can exhibit "ghost" markings that appear to be tabby and not be the tabby they appear to be. Take my Phoenix for example...she isn't pointed tho but this explains a little of the "ghost" markings in better detail. She is a solid red genetically...but she looks like she is a red mackerel tabby. When I showed her, I had to register her as a red mackerel tabby because CFA goes by what she looks like not what she is. In other words (to add more confusion...I'm sorry)...she looked tabby but would only breed and produce kittens like a solid red. When you add the pointed gene to the mix with the Himalayans it gets even harder to tell. If he were a newborn...it would be easier...ha ha! And knowing his parents' colors would help alot too.

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 Post subject: Re: Is he a cream point or flame point?
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Marclay wrote:
Bru wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ignore me, I am totally wrong.
I thought he looked like he had a white moustache and tabby marking on tail. Heather is the expert as a breeder. :D


No, don't ignore you....I see it too. But I don't see the white rims on the ears which is a tell tell sign (these are true white tho...not light cream)...and a flame lynx is typically very light red and can be confused as a cream. Reni was a flame lynx (confirmed by DNA). It is just hard with the red and cream points! With flames and creams tho...that mustache or even the rings in the tail can be there because as I said red factor kitties in general can exhibit "ghost" markings that appear to be tabby and not be the tabby they appear to be. Take my Phoenix for example...she isn't pointed tho but this explains a little of the "ghost" markings in better detail. She is a solid red genetically...but she looks like she is a red mackerel tabby. When I showed her, I had to register her as a red mackerel tabby because CFA goes by what she looks like not what she is. In other words (to add more confusion...I'm sorry)...she looked tabby but would only breed and produce kittens like a solid red. When you add the pointed gene to the mix with the Himalayans it gets even harder to tell. If he were a newborn...it would be easier...ha ha! And knowing his parents' colors would help alot too.


Holy moly thats confusing Heather :lol: I think I get what you mean. :D The ghost markings are interesting, I learned something new. It's crazy the way CFA goes by how a kitty looks not what they actually are. Thanks for explaining :D :D

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 Post subject: Re: Is he a cream point or flame point?
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Fun fact for you and the others Ellen...

Phenotype is what CFA goes by when registering kitties and their color. So Phoenix was a Red Mackerel Tabby

Genotype is what she is genetically -- that is that she is a red solid Persian not a red mackerel Persian.

Just something fun I learned in my years of breeding and interesting I thought.

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 Post subject: Re: Is he a cream point or flame point?
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not sure what colour he is, but he sure is cute!

and who doesn't like shortbread?? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Is he a cream point or flame point?
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Thank you all for your comments. I found out his mother is a Cream Blue Point, and his father a Blue Point. I hope that helps.

You have all been so very helpful.


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