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 Post subject: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:55 am 
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Hello friends!

Everyone know i dream in breeding!

But i start with a pets and just after i start think about breed.

I have not the best cats, but i love them!

I have my female with 3 years, another female with 2 years.

And my boy is 15 months.

From 4 to 11 months he start have interess in my girls but dont find the sot :?
Is too young!

11 and 12 months, one girl call, and he mate her 2 times, was amasing, but she dont get pregnat!

13 months he mate one 3 times, and more them 10 times another femAle, and nathing!

Now 15 months he mate agAin, last and this week, my red female anout 5 times and my blue and white, too much times, i cant account!

I will waiting and see if they get babies!

You think is normal he mate the girls and they dont get babies!?

I think he mate well, because the females scream and start roll around,

What is your opnion! :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:43 pm 
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I don't know anything about breeding however am just wondering if your male cat is anatomically correct in all aspects of his male anatomy or sterile maybe? Have you taken him to the Vet to be checked in terms of his male anatomy? Maybe a thought if none of the other females turn up pregnant. Unless there's no penetration at all it would seem that even with poor mating if all else is "ok" he should be able to impregnate.

Breeders here can likely tell you what you want to know~ I'm just thinking about basic anatomy and reproduction.

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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:11 pm 
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Thanks for your reply,

I speak with a vet last week, and he said for i waiting more six months, and after we make a fetal test!

The breeder that sold me the cat tell me for i wainting too because he is to young!

But another friends and the vet tell me too he make well, and he make because she scream and roll around, is not to normal they dont get the prenancy!

Im to sad i need babies, and the problem is my females calling all the time!

I just wonder know if someone have the same problem like me one day, and if you ear about males not fertils.

Thanks a lot people!

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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:40 pm 
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OHhhhhh Goodness. First of all - have you bred before? Second of all - Are your cats tested for PKD? You really shouldn't be breeding if you don't know the answers to these questions you are asking. I'm a bit concerned.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:42 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:48 pm 
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PuffyPuffyPrincess wrote:
OHhhhhh Goodness. First of all - have you bred before? Second of all - Are your cats tested for PKD? You really shouldn't be breeding if you don't know the answers to these questions you are asking. I'm a bit concerned.



Kira, I concur. Breeding animals of any kind should only be done by professionals. And then only if you are prepared to care for these babies for the rest of their lives if should you not be able to find suitable homes for them.

Please do not take this the wrong way but you may want to consider getting the males and females fixed.

I say all of this in LOVE!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 4:29 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:14 pm 
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Ok guys this will be in Portuguese as our friend is from there and maybe I can get some of our concerns across better in a language that comes from my heart. (translation available at request :)

Olá Patricia e mais uma vez bemvinda ao site.

Eu nao sou portuguesa mais vivi lá muitos anos e gosto immenso. Antes que nada, tem uma familia muito bonita e uns gatos superlindos e obviamente muito bem cuidados.

O que acontece aqui entre os membros do site e que somos muito cuidadosos com o assunto de criar gatos. Nao só porque envolve immenso trabalho e cuidado, mais tambem porque ha tantos gatos persas tambem nos canils/gatils no mundo enteiro.

Para comecar, os gatos que tem, eles foram-lhe vendidos com permisso de procriacao? Tem registo nalguma associacao de gatos lá na Escocia? Se nao for o caso, os cachorros nao seriam considerados decendencia pura e teriam menos persepctivas de venda.

Ja participou nalguma exposicao de gatos? Os seus gatos tem algums títulos a ostentar? Tudo isto contribue as perspectivas dos cachorros na sua larga vida.

Todos nós entedemos que ter cachorros e lindo mais cual e a perspectiva de eles? Na altura que vamos da economica, menos pessoas estao dispostas a gastar com gatos e persas sao de alta manutencao.

Depois os criterios de doencas. PKD e uma doenca hereditaria especialmente nos persas. Tem os seus gatos com teste negativo?

O macho que tem aos seus 15 meses esta em perfectas condicoes para procriar. Tem ele os dois testiculos no sitio certo? A vezes um o até os dois nao descenden e isso complica a fertilidade. Machos sem experiencia tambem nao dao no sitio certo... precisam de alguma ajuda humana.

Tambem, se tem tres femeas pode em cualquier momento acabar com até 18 gatinhos, está preparada? Gastos de veterianario, de manutencao, ja pensou nesta possivel situacao?

Em resumen, o que queremos dizer: pense muito nas consequencias do que pensa fazer.

Leia or articulo muito bom "Before you breed" nesta pagina https://persian-cats.com/articles/br ... oreb.shtml

com os melhores desejos para si e a sua familia e os gatos,

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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:15 pm 
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Tongobriga wrote:
Thanks for your reply,

I speak with a vet last week, and he said for i waiting more six months, and after we make a fetal test!

The breeder that sold me the cat tell me for i wainting too because he is to young!

But another friends and the vet tell me too he make well, and he make because she scream and roll around, is not to normal they dont get the prenancy!

Im to sad i need babies, and the problem is my females calling all the time!

I just wonder know if someone have the same problem like me one day, and if you ear about males not fertils.

Thanks a lot people!


There could be many reasons why your girls are not getting pregnant, including that they may have a uterine infection. If you have witnessed the breedings then I would suggest you take your girls in and have them cultured. They could require antibiotics to have a successful pregnancy. This might not be an issue with your boy.

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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:18 pm 
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Easy guys :) ...there is a language barrier here and the questions she is asking are completely normal of a new breeder. Heck when I started breeding, Kim (Campbellkatz) had to walk me through what to expect when a girl is bred. And yes...scream and roll is very common of a successful breeding so I can totally see the confusion here.

Most males are breeding by 15 to 18 months...some take as much as 3 years (like my Baggy). If the girls are screaming and then rolling it is HIGHLY likely he is getting the deed done...thing is, are you separating him from the girls after 2-3 witnessed breedings? Then waiting the typical 21 days to watch for the girl to pink up? You cannot let the boy with the girl after the girl is out of heat because if she is bred again while you are waiting to see if the breeding took then you could loose the litter. If you are following all of these then I suspect your male might be sterile. Waiting longer isn't going to help your immediate situation. Your girls need bred. Do you have a friend that could help you get your girls bred while you investigate the furtility of the male? If you don't then you may need to consider spay/neuter for the health and safety of your girls.

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