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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:54 pm 
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My first boy, Spencer took 3 years to sire. He did breed before and the girls would scream and roll - but nothing happened. For some unknown reason after he blocked with Struvite crystals he sired a litter. A new breeder would not necessarily know the answers that is why they go to forums and ask questions so that more experienced breeders can help. Heck, I still call my unoffical mentor when someone is in labor just for security! Yes, PKD testing is of the upmost importance and I strongly suggest that it be done before a litter is delivered if it hasn't been done already. Heather has given you excellent advice. I would not wait to long to breed since you can have problems with the girls developing cysts rendering them infertile or even pyometra.

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I really hope your girls give you babies soon!
I've had a peek at your web site, your male is gorgeous,
and your girls are beautiful....whenever they do have babies.
they should be awesome!!
Good luck!!
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:43 pm 
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First of all, thank you who try me explain and try to answer to my question.

I only make a question, nathing more, but some people not understand me may be is my english!

I only want say i dont like peple judge me without know me, if you looking in my website you will see how my cats looks, and all love me and my family give to them.

My cats sleep in my and my daughters bed.

I have my prefix, and im registered in gccf club, i go to the shows you can see my website.

My cats are pkd negative.

If i wonder just breed i could take any male advertise in a newspaper! Why i spend lot of money for have show cats, and breeding, and if somebody dont know when you buy a cat in uk with pedigree the certificate tell you if the cat is just a pet or a show, breeding too.
And the rice is different to, obsvely.
If i want breede, is for all my life dream with persian cats, and now i have conditions for this,and i dedicat my day to may cats, daughter and my husband.

But is not easy start because i want everything right, without errors, and sometimes you found people like dont know me and judge me, but im strong enought for realise my dream, with your help or not.

Sorry, for the people try to repply me for help me and now read this, is not for you but for who was think, look more one want breed!

Yes, i want, i can and one day i will.

Ah! And i have 2 females, one male and a male neuteur, because he have some defects and i not want take him for breeding program! (maybe i was think just in breeding not?, and he have 2 years)

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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:34 pm 
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You keep reaching for that dream, Patricia!!
I'm sure you will have sweet kitties some day soon.
I'm not a breeder, but just by looking at your breeding foundation
on your website, I can tell that you have searched and found cats
that do indeed meet the standard of the persian breed.
I hope it all comes together for you soon, and your boy makes your
pretty girls pregnant with sweet babies :heart:

I'm not sure if this is ever done...but maybe the breeder of your boy would
agree to put your girls with one of her proven males..until such time he is
able to do the deed?
Or maybe the girls' breeder would agree to put them with one of her males?
I would just worry about continued heats with no pregnancies?

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I apologize....I spoke to soon. Please forgive me. :(

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:14 am 
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Tongobriga wrote:
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I only want say i dont like peple judge me without know me, if you looking in my website you will see how my cats looks, and all love me and my family give to them....
If i want breede, is for all my life dream with persian cats, and now i have conditions for this,and i dedicat my day to may cats, daughter and my husband.
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Your cats are beautiful and I hope they can fulfill your dreams!!!

I got a laugh out of your statement "I dedicate my day to my cats, daughter and my husband." Yep, cats come first, husband comes last. The proper order of things if you ask me! :D

And Birgit, thanks for tranlsating. :heart:

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:40 am 
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I do not speak Portugese tho understood what Birgit wrote as I speak Spanish. I certainly did not judge you however in my limited cat "joining" experience (hearing domestic cats mate) I understood what you asked hence my basic question about sterility re your male.

I am quite glad to read it's normal for the female to roll about and scream... I don't think I've witnessed (seen) that rather just heard the "noise!"

I do know language barriers can sometimes confuse people (my husband is Colombian) so while I think you clearly stated what you did others had questions. That's natural. Please just bear with us. We all love our cats so much and I'm sure you are trying really hard.

I wish you the best with your breeding efforts and hope that soon your male will be successful. Please keep us posted ;)


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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 6:09 am 
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Marlo, joan, marclay, linda,lyimsgem,birgit thanks for your help.

You tell me things can be right.

Birgit i want write my feelings, i will write in portuguese if you can give me a favour please translate me, just today :oops:

Amigos, peço desculpa se fui mal interpretada.

Os meus gatos sao parte da minha familia, a quem dou muito valor.

Demorei muito tempo adquir um persa, por estes gatos serem caros e requerem mais trabalho e tambem despesa, por isso so á tres anos a que comprei o meu primeiro persa, é bastante facil arranjar um persa sem pedigree vendido numa loja de animais a baixo preço.

Esse nao era o meu objectivo, como a criaçao tambem nao era.

Mas depois ainda me apaixomei mais por esta raça, e por todos os momentos que ela me proporcionou.

So comecei a pensar em criaçao, quando emigrei para o reino unido, por o meu marido trabalhar ca, e como nao é possivel eu ter um emprego, porque tenho duas meninas lindas, mas nao compensa a mulher trabalhar, e entao apercebi-me que tinha tempo e disponibilidade financeira, para poder concretizar o meu sonho.

Quando falo em me dedicar aos meus gatos, filhos e marido, como é obvio, não sera por qualquer ordem de amor, so era para intensificar, o k sinto por eles e o k faço por eles, e provavelmente não sou só eu k penso assim, quando descrevi os tres, quis dizer que lhes tento dar tudo de bom como dou as minhas filhas, ao meu marido e ate a mim.

Quem tem filhos sabe quantas vezes deixamos de comprar alguma coisa para nòs para lhe dar a eles e com os gatos é a mesma coisa, estou sempre a procurar mais um shampoo, um brinquedo, uma areia um secador, sempre a pensar neles.

Por isso fico triste quando alguem me diz, o que me disseram aqui.

Vi que neste forum tem pessoas muito boas, que tentam perceber o problema e ajudar, mas ha outras que apanham qualquer palavrinha ou frase, para nos poder derrubar.

Eu penso que as minhas duvidas, eventuais erros, serão normais, e penso que qualquer criador quando começou teve duvidas, problemas.

Agora ha criadores que tentam transmitir as suas experiencias e ajudar e outros, guardam apenas para eles.

Mesmo assim obrigada, eu continuarei a vir ao forum, sempre que me for permitido, e tentarei ignorar ou mesmo esquecer alguns comentarios menos felizes, que me magoaram muito.

Pois existem pessoas que me responderam, que me ajudaram e que merecem todo o meu respeito e agradecimento

So mais uma coisa, linda h, pode rir, talvez eu faça a sua vida mais animada! Hoje não me ri com os seus comentarios, mas em portugal, costuma-se dizer quem ri por ultimo ri melhor ;)

Beijinhos e obrigada

Espero que consiga traduzir birgit :)

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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 6:40 am 
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Hi again!

I need repply some questions.

Yes, i keep my male with the females, during 3 days, after this they stay in my bedroom alones :cry: . Because the breeds say me is not good the male mate the girls formore 3 days.

I was think about take my girs to another breeder, is not too much breeders here accept this, but i cant found, but i not want because i have scare, i dont know the cat can mate my girls, he can be sick, and take bad health to my cats, and is for this i prefer have my own male.

Because i know my cats.

Some people say me about urine problems? Can i make some test for this! Normally my cats go for routine appointment two times a year, more annual booster, and the vet see my cats, the belly, and another things and he tell me is everything ok.

And in house is everything normal. They never go to the vet with a problem, lucky me :D

But i will see in next 20 days if day pink up. If not i will make some tests.

The females, the vet say is easy see if they are fertils, the male is more hard, but they can do it.

When i have more news, goods or bad i will post here.

Thanks a lot

Patricia

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 Post subject: Re: Please advice me!
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:11 am 
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Oh Patricia....I would never tell you to take your
girls to a complete stranger breeder..I know of all the dangers
you could face doing that..
I just thought, if it was possible...to either go back to the girls' breeder
or the male's breeder...at least that way..you know thier cats..they know yours...
I will keep my fingers crossed that they both pink up!!
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